WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). It seems so, according to you. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. Dance defense. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. That woman has no soul. Blasczyk said she is pleased with the outcome of the case. Beautifully said Cliff! Yassein Said, 59, is guilty of conspiring to hide his older brother, Yaser Said, as authorities sought him in connection with the New Years Day slayings. WebIn burst a group of men and women with their guns drawn. How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? Proven in court and sentence awarded!!! Have you read the book? Nope. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. Then international law enforcement was contacted. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Judges may have the discretion to reduce a felony in a wobbler case to a misdemeanor. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Rest in peace Joann and Alex. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. By signing up you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, Stand with us in our mission to discover and uncover the story of North Texas, Jury convicts man who harbored fugitive brother accused of killing teen daughters in Irving in 2008, Irving man admits to harboring fugitive father accused of murdering teenage daughters, A day after powerful thunderstorms, North Texas surveys the damage, 3 children killed, 2 wounded at Ellis County home; suspect in custody, How a Texas districts reaction to school shooting fears highlights discipline concerns, Carrollton man advertised pills on social media to entice teens to buy fentanyl, feds say. Had there been a switch? Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! She should have received the death penalty imo. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? It's been a long three years for them.". Killers can plan all the details and alibis well ahead of the murder while cops must come up with hard evidence, even just to make an arrest. I didnt believe it. It was a very big shock to see to know that she was still alive. because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! The fact that Jerome was gay was left out of the trial altogether. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. He said she did own a firearm, with its serial numbers filed off. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. "Please do the right thing for Melissa.". The jury deliberated for three hours after Thursday's closing arguments. Patricia Owens, FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. Phone records dont lie.) Nine. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Thank you and well said. I wanted to get out of there.. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. What a lame article. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. A correction to the comment above. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. "You knew how the abduction would end," Bent said. Exactly Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. The hearing of the motion for reduction of felony to misdemeanor will be held Tuesday, Oct. 11, at 1:30 p.m. in the Riverside Courthouse at 4050 Main St. in Department 42. His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. Said's defense attorney said he will be filing a notice to appeal. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. I dont think so. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. Not gender neutral. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. [emailprotected]. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. . In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. It was total shock. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Judge Richard T. Fields will be presiding over the case and Public Defender Ruby Ramirez will be representing Patricia for the Riverside County Public Defenders Office. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. What evidence is there she actually left the state? "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. They also presented an email from the girls to one of their teachers prior to the murder saying they feared their father would kill them. Three Strikes holds dying innocent woman behind bars: Justice for Patricia Wright I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow. I have never seen anything this egregious., Requests for Proposals and Qualifications, Families to Amend California's Three Strikes (FACTS), life without possibility of parole (LWOP), National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), What California should do with people convicted of violent felonies, The Folsom 6 who stood up for Yogi are vindicated. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. That's counting the nine bullets you put in Sarah. Stop it.. Men who murder are conventional, women are sensational, posits the Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Network. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. I cant lose them, he told the media. "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. Unbloody vehicle. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? She hadn't lived long enough.". What definition? Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. No charmed life. Or did they? Thats my life.. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. Oh my God. On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. Jenkins' assailant Patricia Prue was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on Friday after deciding to plead guilty the day before to charges of aggravated attempted murder, kidnapping and conspiracy. WebHis ex-wife and the mother of the teens, Patricia Owens, watched Said as the judge sentenced him. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. Her brother Larrys false confession was all the LAPD needed to put Patricia behind bars. There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. Not everything is a conspiracy. It has very bad energy. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. She held up pictures of her dead daughters. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. (We didnt get into the specifics.). A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. Stop. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. False. Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. A Texas man who carried out the mass shooting at the Cielo Vista Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3, 2019, killing 23 people and injuring 22 more, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court to a 90-count indictment, including 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict.